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ivan novakovic

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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2009, 07:57:00 PM »


right now im running a stock ecu but i saving for a power fc i dont daily my car its straight track car there a place 15 mins from my house that sells race gas so getting it isn't a problem i know i cant just put it in my car and go until its tuned for it. i dont plan on running the t28 much longer plan on getting a gt2871 and some step 1 hks cams i now i can still run pump gas on this setup and make the power i want but i think race gas would help make it make the power a lil easier

Higher octane levels than required actually lose power. Octane is a knock retardant, meaning it slows the flame front traveling through the chamber to reduce ping. You always want to run the lowest octane gas you can for your motor to make maximum power.

This is assuming all your changing is octane and havn't put in an oxygenated fuel, upped the boost or advanced timing when you put in race gas compared to pump.

you make more power with lower octane cause the combustion is more power and faster right?
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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2009, 01:16:23 AM »

Yes, the flame travels faster through lower octane fuels. Octane is added as a mild retardant to make higher dynamic compression engines run without knocking. Like I said earlier you want to run as low as possible without risking detonation. If you're just wanting to be safe and you run a 93 octane tune put in 100 octane or something, its not going to hurt you and you can bump timing a couple degrees. Pretty much don't take a car that's meant to run on shit gas and put in Q16 and expect it to make more power without more timing or boost, if all you did was take a stock engine and put higher octane race gas in it without messing with anything else I would expect it to LOSE 5-10hp, unless its oxygenated.


Sorry if this trashes up the thread, fuel is a separate discussion all together.
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ivan novakovic

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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2009, 04:08:58 AM »

who gives a fuck.  talk about it anyway, people learn this way.
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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2009, 10:59:29 PM »

KKK Blitz K3-450R 8.11

is this turbo still relevant today?

?????

or waste of money
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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2009, 12:16:07 AM »

 i never try to base my build on numbers because i know ill always end up shy (just luck i guess)

i also have a gt287r1 .64 but with hks cams 264/264 (step 1) pushing up on cp pistons 86mm 9.0:1

i hope i can make 350hp that's all i want

anything i should have changed?
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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2009, 11:20:58 PM »

I have an S15 T28...car feels good but I know with a tune it would feel better...I don't really go by numbers I go by how good the response is and drivabilty... Jaime has a T28 550cc and Power FC tuned and that car feels great... I remember when aaron still had an sr in his s13 that car felt scary...
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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2009, 01:07:33 AM »

I have an S15 T28...car feels good but I know with a tune it would feel better...I don't really go by numbers I go by how good the response is and drivabilty... Jaime has a T28 550cc and Power FC tuned and that car feels great... I remember when aaron still had an sr in his s13 that car felt scary...


You should chat more with jaime about the cost vs bang of his t28 setup.  I think he would say just keep the t28 on a fairly stock setup with just a fmic, fuel pump, boost controller set at 10-12 psi ( 10 would be safer ), exhaust, and thats about it.  Do an adjustable wastegate for even more durability and skip the boost controller.  The next step is a fairly expensive one, going for the injectors, power fc, z32 maf/map sensor, tune, etc.  that is easily a 2k dollar list no matter how you cut it!  you can safely run a few lbs more on that setup with all those extra parts, but that is a lot of money for the rest of that hp.  and your car has enough hp as it is now!  i think when you jump up to the next level, 2871, that is when its time to go balls deep.  the t28 just is such a nice well rounded setup with the stock ecu, its hard to give up that simplicity unless you really need more hp.  stock ecu means you can diagnose ecu problems easier, parts are cheaper, you have more money to go drive and have fun, go es-swimming. 
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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2009, 10:32:20 PM »

yeah... I don't plan on doing much more to my car other than more wheels and saving up for events but its been kind of hard lately... I finally replaced the ugly front bumper, put a new front mount with new piping, got a lil drift knob and other little things here and there...hopefully I can save up and come to another event soon...
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Re: turbo set up question
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2010, 12:09:32 AM »

I have an S15 T28...car feels good but I know with a tune it would feel better...I don't really go by numbers I go by how good the response is and drivabilty... Jaime has a T28 550cc and Power FC tuned and that car feels great... I remember when aaron still had an sr in his s13 that car felt scary...


You should chat more with jaime about the cost vs bang of his t28 setup.  I think he would say just keep the t28 on a fairly stock setup with just a fmic, fuel pump, boost controller set at 10-12 psi ( 10 would be safer ), exhaust, and thats about it.  Do an adjustable wastegate for even more durability and skip the boost controller.  The next step is a fairly expensive one, going for the injectors, power fc, z32 maf/map sensor, tune, etc.  that is easily a 2k dollar list no matter how you cut it!  you can safely run a few lbs more on that setup with all those extra parts, but that is a lot of money for the rest of that hp.  and your car has enough hp as it is now!  i think when you jump up to the next level, 2871, that is when its time to go balls deep.  the t28 just is such a nice well rounded setup with the stock ecu, its hard to give up that simplicity unless you really need more hp.  stock ecu means you can diagnose ecu problems easier, parts are cheaper, you have more money to go drive and have fun, go es-swimming. 


I know this thread is old and I don't really get on here much, but when I read Aaron's post, I thought I'd give my input to back up his reasoning.  Reason is my power fc recently failed and I was forced to go back to stock engine management, injectors and maf. I now have great drivability, idle, and don't have to worry about getting the thing tuned anymore all after taking $2,000 worth of parts/effort off the car. As far as power goes, the car feels just as fast as when it was tuned. When I had my power fc, i remember I was able to trap 109mph @ about 1.1 bar.  I took the car to the track now with stock management  and was able to easily trap 105mph on just 12psi. I feel that if I turn up the boost to about 15psi or so I should be close to 109mph again in the 1/4. Pretty much the same power as with the tune except with much better drive-ability and cold idle. Plus no more infamous power fc idle surge!

Sure this car is not making crazy power, but Aaron also makes a great point that on a t28, it is not worth going to the next step of getting engine management, larger injectors etc., as you typically need to spend about 2k extra for not that much more power at all. The stock ecu handles t28s just fine. My car is on the s15 t28.

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